End of Christianity...

[Gotch]

I disagree with the use of the word "discriminatory".

I'm not trying to claim that the site is not a bit over the top, but using words like racist and discriminatory, even comparing the site to the KKK, instead of attempting to refute points made by the sites author or pointing out mistakes in fact are nothing but an attempt to discredit without directly engaging and are weak attempts to avoid a strong (over the top if you will) argument.

I haven't really "studied" the site, just browsed it.

My opinion is that they point out a lot of very "uncomfortable" facts about Islam and the Islamic message, and they do this in an abrasive and somewhat radical manner.

I see no difference in how they approach Islam and how some sites, Internet Infidels come to mind, treat the christian religion.

[R13]

It's not as extreme as the KKK, but certainly "preaching" the same message. They might go about in a lighter way, but its the same defaming method a KKK site would use. And as for the Internet Infidels site, I've never visited one...but if they do things the same way as that one, then they are definitely no better and maybe worse(like I said, I haven't been to it). Sites like that should be more "pro" their position than "anti" everyone elses. It's perfectly fine to compare and contrast two or however many religions, but not solely focused on how bad the opposing side is - whichever side it is, it's wrong to do so.

[Gotch]

Again, I strongly disagree.

I think the sites author says it better than I possibly could:

"In fact, Islam is not a race. Islam has nothing at all to do with genetics. It is an ideology – a set of beliefs about individual behavior and the rules of society."

If these ideological beliefs lead to a clear and demonstrable pattern of inappropriate behavior there is absolutely nothing wrong with pointing that out.

Intolerance for a pattern of violence, abuse, and misbehavior in general based upon a set of ideological beliefs does not constitute "defaming" .

As for the internet infidels site, I've actually looked it over more carefully than I have this one.

They were pretty much the original modern source for the argument that a historical Jesus never existed. In fact, if one argues that point today they have without a doubt been influenced, knowingly or not, by the authors of that site.

Would I want the site removed? No!

That would be nothing more than an internet version of a book burning.....as is, to a slightly lesser extent, use of words like racist when dealing with a view you are in conflict with.

[R13]

Again it's not the point of it being genetic, it's still discrimination. Where you are born and raised usually determine what religion you are and what you believe, it's one of the biggest factors. If you are born in a muslim area, you are going to believe in Islam and think that religion is right...if you're born here, usually you're going to think Christianity is right. Because it isn't technically "genetic", the family is the number 1 reason why most people believe the way they do...so it is a choice, but not exactly.


I do not think it "leads" to a pattern of all of this violence, like I said..about 85% of the prison population believes in Christianity, that doesn't mean it "led" to violence and there's a legit argument for plenty of violence in the Bible.

[Gotch]

So, pointing out the fact that a hugely disapportionate number of modern day slave owners are Muslim is discrimination?

Pointing out that an outrageously disapportionate percentage of terrorist acts are committed by Muslims is also discrimination?

Pointing out the systematic abuse of women in many parts of the Muslim world is discrimination?

This idea that we have to tread lightly and maintain some sort of absurd policitally correct handling of all things Islamic is preposterous. Ask the French how that has worked out for them. Ask the Dutch how wonderful that approach has worked for them.

Concerning violence in the Bible. Tell you what, point me to the violence in the New Testament. You are aware that the NT is the blueprint for christian life, not the old testament which is actually the Hebrew bible, first five books of which make up the Jewish Torah.

[Gotch]

I believe the only statement I didn't respond to was about the percentage of the prison population that "85% of the prison population believes in Christianity".

According to a study by The Federal Bureau of Prisons right at 20% had no religious affiliation of any type.

Now here is what I found interesting: 7.273% stated that they were Muslim, while an additional 2.320% stated that they belonged to the Nation of Islam, which was polled as a separate religion.

I find that as being better than 9.5%.

Now lets look at the percentage Muslims in the US population as a whole.

According to the latest statistical data 0.6% of the U.S. population is Muslim.

So, while about 1 in every 168 Americans are Muslim, nearly 1 in every 10 convicted felons in prison are.

Interesting, thanks for leading me to that info

[R13]

First of all Christianity is how much older then Islam? Christianity has come a long way, Islam has too and will continue to do so.

Secondly, outrageously disproportionate? You are referring to the Islamic extremist who are not the majority. There are around 1.5 billion muslims in the world, if they were all or even mostly the extremist you are talking about...there'd be a lot more 9/11's happening, not the case.



Now to the prison population..It's 0.2 percent of non-believers(atheists) in prison, not 20. There's is a reason the Nation of Islam was polled separately, that's because they aren't the same. They cannot be counted with actual Muslims, so it's 7.27% and not 9.5. Judeo-Christians make up 83.7% of the prison poulation, I think that 8/10(Christians) is a little worse than 0.7/10(Islam).